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Re: Planet Hollywood Poker Room

Postby Pokerdogg » Sun Sep 30, 2012 8:51 am

psand wrote:
TheGameKat wrote:
Anyway, good job guys. AVP 1-0 CET


I don't that is accurate. As it stands now CET made a nominal change and kept doing the very thing we found offensive.



I wonder if YOU are accurate? Do you know the planned/expected contribution of promo fund from each source, and the proportonal distribution of said fund for, say the next 12 months? Unless you know the answer to this question, I don't think you can pass the judgement that it is a nominal change.

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Re: Planet Hollywood Poker Room

Postby psand » Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:21 am

Pokerdogg wrote:
psand wrote:I don't that is accurate. As it stands now CET made a nominal change and kept doing the very thing we found offensive.



I wonder if YOU are accurate? Do you know the planned/expected contribution of promo fund from each source, and the proportonal distribution of said fund for, say the next 12 months? Unless you know the answer to this question, I don't think you can pass the judgement that it is a nominal change.


I think its pretty safe to say they intend to pay out more in guarantees then they bring in with this $1 drop per entry. Its pretty clear that $1 per entry is just a nominal charge (the cash games are paying $1 per hand)

Certainly they don't want that to be the case ...... they want business to pickup so much that the guarantee never gets paid out. And it remains a possibility that in fact this guarantee rarely pays out ..... but i wouldn't bet on it.

But if they actually thought that was going to happen the way to handle this that would make them money and appease their critics would be to simply take $1 extra for the house and then pay the guarantees from the house money.

The fact that they insist on using the Jackpot Drop for this is very telling that they expect to pay out more than it brings in.
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Re: Planet Hollywood Poker Room

Postby Flip_Runner » Sun Sep 30, 2012 12:10 pm

Chris,

Why are you taking a dollar from the tournament entry's now when you never did before?

So PH has always had "one" promotional jackpot pool. This jackpot pool was funded exclusively from cash games until the recent change that tournaments would be contributing $1 per entry to the promotional pool.

If the change was made in effort to be compliant. Does that mean PH was non-compliant prior to this change?

If yes, is PH liable for returning the erroneous overlay payouts prior to compliance (totaling over 36k as of 7/13/12) back to the promotion pool?

Are employees of the PH poker room allowed to play in the guaranteed tournaments?

I played over 200 hours in your room this year. I appreciate your time and consideration regarding the issues brought up here. Any response is better than no response. Can you please provide the contact information for whom you suggest be addressed with "critical inquiry" in your organization?
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Re: Planet Hollywood Poker Room

Postby apollo » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:14 pm

psand wrote:Is it really your contention that Chris couldn't answer my question about whether or not they were funding the guarantee with jackpot drop because he was awaiting a ruling on the complaint to gaming which apparently hadn;t even been made at that time?

And if its just good policy to wait for that ruling ... maybe they should have asked for their own ruling before they started the guarantee ....

My understanding of the Gaming rules is that PH cannot refuse to answer reasonable questions about the jackpot drop. We are entitled to know how much is taken and from where, and where it goes. If I were to ask the question "are you funding the tournament guarantees from the jackpot drop" in person in the casino and the floor refused to answer, I'd wager a quarter I could get an answer with a phone call to Gaming. "Nevada Gaming Enforcement. Agent Smith speaking. How can I help you?" "The PH poker room is refusing to divulge how they are disbursing the jackpot fund."

But there's no rule that says he has to participate on AVP in the way we prefer.

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Re: Planet Hollywood Poker Room

Postby TheGameKat » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:52 pm

apollo wrote:My understanding of the Gaming rules is that PH cannot refuse to answer reasonable questions about the jackpot drop. We are entitled to know how much is taken and from where, and where it goes. If I were to ask the question "are you funding the tournament guarantees from the jackpot drop" in person in the casino and the floor refused to answer, I'd wager a quarter I could get an answer with a phone call to Gaming. "Nevada Gaming Enforcement. Agent Smith speaking. How can I help you?" "The PH poker room is refusing to divulge how they are disbursing the jackpot fund."

But there's no rule that says he has to participate on AVP in the way we prefer.


Right but AVP as a community can construct such guidelines and AVP as a company can, if it so chooses, translate the community's desired guidelines into binding rules. And it now has new bright and shiny employees who can ask poker room managers the sort of questions they are required to answer by Gaming rules.

Or AVP as a company can decide to be exploited for free advertising by otherwise evasive room managers as it has in the past.
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Re: Planet Hollywood Poker Room

Postby JonFriedberg » Sun Sep 30, 2012 9:55 pm

I personally don't feel that it is AVP's place (as a company) to require anyone to answer any questions that are asked. If there is something that the Gaming Control Board oversees, for example, then they should be contacted. Our role (again, as a company) is to enable communication between players and participating casinos, but not necessarily to police anything beyond the rules within our Forum.

On the other hand, if our community members choose to request such information in whatever style they choose, then I would welcome and encourage everyone to do so....so long as it is complies with our Forum guidelines. And similarly, as long as poker room representatives in our Forums are posting within our guidelines, they are welcome to do so as well.

Hopefully this makes sense.
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Re: Planet Hollywood Poker Room

Postby TheGameKat » Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:00 pm

JonFriedberg wrote:I personally don't feel that it is AVP's place (as a company) to require anyone to answer any questions that are asked. If there is something that the Gaming Control Board oversees, for example, then they should be contacted. Our role (again, as a company) is to enable communication between players and participating casinos, but not necessarily to police anything beyond the rules within our Forum.

On the other hand, if our community members choose to request such information in whatever style they choose, then I would welcome and encourage everyone to do so....so long as it is complies with our Forum guidelines. And similarly, as long as poker room representatives in our Forums are posting within our guidelines, they are welcome to do so as well.

Hopefully this makes sense.


It makes perfect sense, Jon, and thanks for providing a response. I hope (and expect) that as AVP enjoys its upcoming expansion, company policy will continue to reflect the wishes of the community that makes up AVP.
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Re: Planet Hollywood Poker Room

Postby dam andy » Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:15 pm

[quote="Dap Poker"]Psand,

( is PH Chris a he???)

I played at P.Ho last week (cash and tourneys) and confirmed that Chris is a he.

I was surprised to see that the tournament guarantees are lower now. First place is now guaranteed $1,200. I think second and third were 200 and 100. I played three tourneys and only one didn't have enough runners to fund the payouts completely. Since I play cash games and tourneys, I don't mind them using the jackpots funds to pay for both. If I was strictly a cash player, I still don't know if I would have a problem with it because I don't know how often or how much of the cash jackpot funds go over to the tourneys. Obviously it's less now with the lower guaranteed payouts.

I would like to say that Planet Hollywood is probably my favorite poker room. The tourney structures are more suited for the casual tourist that doesn't want to play a tourney for more than a couple hours. I play their tourneys hoping for a quick cash. I also play other rooms when I can commit 10+ hours. The cash games can be profitable because of the tourist action. The dealers are all great and they definitely promote having fun.

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Re: Planet Hollywood Poker Room

Postby psand » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:44 pm

I have been getting email notifications of new posts in this thread..... but the posts are gone before I get to see them. In the past that has always been an indication that the thread was spammed. But in light of the fact that this is the only thread I have had this happening with .... it causes me to wonder if something else is going on.
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Re: Planet Hollywood Poker Room

Postby psand » Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:49 am

No response? Since this post it has happened twice more......
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