obnoxiously light hero call consideration? or hell no never?
hero had been making some hands/ running good so appeared to be LAG but was actually playing pretty solid minus a light three bet turning to gin hand.
Villain was playing a loose passive style calling alot and making small bets and min raises w/ value hands. one hand had of notice come up earlier where he checked behind bottom end of a str8 on 4 to a str8 board w/ no flush or FH possible in a heads up pot missing possible value from a set.
H opens CO w/ A10dd to 10 with 400 behind
V flats button about 150,
flop 678cdd
hero checks with intention to check raise call of for 75bb
V checks behind
(should i have just c-bet?)
Turn 4c
hero leads for 15 into 18 after rake
V min clicks it to 30
hero flats
(should i have just shipped it?)
river 4h board 6c7d8d4c4h
hero checks
villain over bets pot for 90 bucks leaving himself like 20 behind
First instinct is obviously snap fold, he can easily have a 5 cuz he plays all kinds of hands especially form button. missed my 12 outer oh well. blah but this is hand where he checked behind dummy end of the str8 seamed like he wasnt willing to value w/out the real McCoy nuts. even tho i cant really have a boat playing this way post flop i kinda expected him to just check behind all two pairs maybe even a 5 and only bet with like 910 or a boat maybe that 5. ever considering an obnoxiously light hero call in this spot? just seamed so bizarre that he'd choose this sizing if he wanted a call when i kinda cant have anything. i mean i already butchered the hand so i might as well throw the money i saved from missing and not betting my draw right? jk but i was stumped that he'd choose this sizing here after making so many min clicks and less than half pot bets for value during the session.
Any thoughts on why or why not to call and maybe how i coulda avoided this silly spot all together?
Making a practice of calling big bets by passive players is a losing long-term strategy. This reeks of a boat to me. If this is a bluff, you're victim to a rare bluff by a passive player or your read on this player may be off (which might involve said passive player going on tilt, being angry about his or her bad luck, and making an out-of-character bluff). While I wouldn't call your odds here 0%.
As for how the hand was played, there is a solid argument for betting this flop. You have a ton of equity in this flop, so firing away with the plan of getting it all in against a short stack is a good plan. Against a loose passive opponent, we may not have a ton of fold equity (against, say weaker hands like single pair hands), but we have so much equity (without fold equity) against villain range as make this a fine plan.
On the turn, our equity gets cut roughly in half as we have missed one of our two opportunities to hit our many outs. That said, I'd not ship the turn. This would almost make sense against a tight/weak opponent, but not against a calling station type. But regardless of the player, the re-raise here represents strength. I don't think, in reality, we ought to ever ship the turn. Our equity is down and Villain is representing strength. I am fine taking a shot at punishing this min raise by acknowledging that we would appear to have enough outs to call. But no longer am I counting Aces and Tens as outs here (actually, would be foolish to ever have thought either one was assuredly an out, especially the ten since it makes any nine a straight).
As played, I fold the river every time and don't lose sleep about it.
I would recommend always c-bet this flop, and being willing to get all in on the flop if you get raised. It's a nasty board with a lot of scare cards that can come (like the one that came!), and you can very quickly lose control of the hand and be forced to be the one calling without knowing where you stand, as opposed to the aggressor that is 'in control' of the pot.
Once the flop gets check-checked, at that point, I would try to keep the pot as small as I can until I hit a straight or flush. So after that, I would just check/call the turn, and decide what to do on the river based on whether or not I hit.